CharlesL 01-05-05, 08:49 AM This is a copy of a response I left in another category. I just think it's useful for every reader so I asked admin to allow me to post it in an new category. I'll check back for comments every so often. I hope it helps.
Anxiety is by nature a somatic condition which causes you to somatize sensations (not symptoms) of anxiety. I say not symptoms simply because a symptom is a sign of 'physical' illness and none of you are physically ill!
You have a behavioural condition which, by definition, means that your subconscious, physical commands which allow your body to function autonomically have been adjusted to function at a much higher than normal anxiety baseline - this happens in the Amygdala, the small organ in the brain that controls the anxiety levels. This produces sensations, thoughts and emotions of anxiety... BUT, it's not TRUE fear, its the sensation of fear... why? Because when there is nothing to be fearful of, TRUE fear cannot exist.
By obsessing about ones physical wellbeing and focusing on specific sensations etc, we somatize those sensations! This is simply the power of suggestion and is known medically to be the cause of anxiety related physical sensations! Our brains are incredibly powerful and can 'create' physical sensation very, very easily.
It's also known as operative conditioning - the ability for the subconscious to learn new behaviour by repitition.
None of you require medicine for this... how can medicine change behaviour? Be sensible... physiologically, medicine can numb the sensations, it can asist with 'medical' conditions which require chemical changes in order to be eliminated... but if it can't stop you from picking your nose or smoking which are as instinctual or habitual as anxiety is, how is it going to stop your anxious habit? It doesn't... trust me, after treating over 20,000 people who have NEVER been cured by medication, I KNOW this.
There is only one solution to anxiety disorders... it's what EVERY recovered anxiety sufferer has done and you will do it too eventaully, either by accident as many do, but it takes a while to fall into it by accident, or by consciously learning what it is and following that path.
Anxiety disorder 'feels' very physical... I know, I have been there believe me, however, it isn't physical!
Neither are anxiety disorder, panic disorder PTSD, OCD or phobias mental illness. Why, because NONE of them can exist without underlying anxiety! YOu can not suffer from any of those conditions without having an inappropriate level of anxiety firing it along. If you remove that anxiety, those conditions disappear... FACT!
Doctors and psychology have got it all wrong. If you want to be well again, you must stop trying to find a short cut... there isn't one that can be found in a psychs chair or a pill pot!
Charles
Old_Anonymous_Members 01-06-05, 11:31 PM Also Charles if my "brain is incredibly powerful and can 'create' physical sensations" how come I cannot undo it.. Do you think I want to miss all these things in my life, or be this sick? If it is my brain that controls my anxiety levels and I have some how been wired a little more tightly than normal people, then I should be able to unwind my shear will according to you. It just isn't so ( and I don't need a PHD or a degree in psychology to tell you that)
CharlesL 09-09-05, 06:44 PM YOU CAN UNDO IT!!!
This is EXACTLY what I try to tell people, but they don't listen!!
I KNOW you don't want what anxiety throws at you, no one does, but you don't have the tools to repair what has happened to you. Why do you attack me when I have done nothing wrong. Anxiety disorder is curable, it's not easy to do, however, when you don't know how. That's why my method is so complete, why it has taken so long to develop and why it works, because it isn't a magic pill or advice given by a quack!
You just need to know what to do and contrary to what people say when they criticize me for selling a product, what other opportunity do I get in order to spread the word? I'm not a psychologist that the general medical council will listen to, I am not a psychiatrist a doctor or a research scientist... I am little old Chareles Linden sitting here with a solution that will help millions of people but people just want to undermine me and my work because I sell it instead of giving it away.
I support thousands of sufferers, employ 12 staff, have 5 office suites to pay for, a call centre, postage, etc. etc. etc. I couldn't give it away free of charge, it costs far too much to support.
You are not wired more tightly, you have anxiety disorder! It's learned, it can be un-learned... that I promise you!
Charles
I've just joined and saw this on charles linden....
Look, I run my own business. I employ staff and have all the hassles of payroll and tax and energy bills... It comes with the job.
It was probably the stress of all this that caused me to go under last year. That's when I used charles methoid. Like busy mommy I was more than a tiny bit sceptical too. Well I would be! I'm a businessman and I see scams all the time.
Only this isn't a scam. And Charles you are so right - not just about what you say about anxiety - which I happen to think is SO TRUE! - but also about having to sell your method.
I was amazed when I got the pack in the post. It was professionally put together and there was a lot of it- more than I expetced for the cost. Sure, it costs more than you'd expect to pay for a band aid but it;s doing a lot more than that!
Any business has running costs. I didn;t have to call the centre. but apparently there's people there to take your call. Counsellors who give one to one advice. NOw that won;t come cheap! I paid for therapy before I found this method. And believe me - as I;m sure a lot of ancxiety sufferers know all too well - THAT doesn't come cheap either! Show me a good psychologist who can produce the same results as this method, for the same price as this method. Bet you can't
Charles I cant thank you enough. My whole lfie was going under and I will believe right to my grave that it was this investment - more than the counselling and the therapies I tried too - which got me my life back.
I was still awake at 4 this morning, worrying and feeling anxious. But its now what I;d call 'normal' anxious. I'm not scared the way I used to be.
When I was so scared I couldn't leave my house and my business was going under, I;d have paid 10 times the amount I paid for this method. And yeah, that would have been takinbg advantage.
But paying for something which covers overheads...? What's wrong with that?
roburtade 30-07-06, 09:13 PM I am curious and intrigued by your thread. I have recently started suffering from panic attacks. The attack came on suddenly, I was not angry, yelling, or upset, or anything. I was watching tv when suddenly i started not to feel right, and that is the best way I can describe it. I felt a rush of energy throughout my body, but it was useless energy because I was too weak to do anything. I felt like I was going to black out or die. Patches of heat started moving over different parts of my body. I felt pressure in my head, my arms felt tingley and then I got really cold. ( I live in tx and the air was set to 78 inside and it was 106 outside). I started to feel surreal and sort of like I was having a dream. I wanted to lay down, but it was the last thing I WANTED to do. I then started shaking all over and was shaking so hard that I had to put something in my mouth to prevent my teeth from gnashing together. I take .5 miligrams of xanax (ocassionaly for times when I feel anxiety), but not regulary at all. I decided to take one and the "sensations," as you so adequately put, subsided. I thought I was going crazy and that I was going to die. I tried eating, but could not ( I did not know what to do) and the more I thought about it, the worse it got. My heart was racing and my pulse was off the charts. I also became very pale and clammy. After a little while, the attack ended as quickly as it began. I was so scared. When it is said that a panic attack is a terrorfying fear, what does that mean? I don't necessarly feel fear, or intense terror, I feel worked up that I am experiencing these sensations for what seems like no reason. I have started taking xanax on the onset of these attacks and just started taking zoloft which will take a couple of weeks to work and then I will ween off the xanax. I think you are right. I have found that the mind is very powerful and we are responsible for controlling a lot more than we realize. When these attacks come on, practing breathing is out of the question. I become obsessed with thinking I am not breathing right and find myself holding my breath. When I feel these attacks start to come on, I keep reminding myself that I am not going to die and that seems to help..a little..since you say it's hard to lick this, and I know I am not going to die, I am interested in learning how you say this is possible to control w/out medication. Also, why do these attacks come on suddenly and w/out cause?
Thanks!
LITTLE LISA 05-08-06, 11:47 PM hey charles
fancy being my shrink !!! wow i wish my shriks were more like you hence me not bothering to see anyone now as they didnt have a clue !!!! were as you do !!!:)
Hi, I'm new to the forum. I was told that I have a chemical imbalance. If anxiety is not physical, what's this all about?
Thanks.
Charles, I've read about your method, and like many other users on this forum, I've tried various means of helping me. I suffer from anticipated anxiety and social phobias. I dread new situations, going to new places, social occasions, even going to the shops or the pub sometimes, and I have a very serious additional fear (like I need another one!) that I'm going to be controlled and trapped by these feelings. I know people, including my partner, who have lived through and actually got through these problems and they function normally without many cares in the world. I seem to bluff my way through my everyday life doing a very stressful job and providing my everyday life doesn't deviate from the norm, I'm relatively okay - I can function. The minute something new rears it's head, an invitation to somewhere, etc, etc, I panic, freeze, and find excuses to avoid doing things. It's a horrible way to live my life and I really do want some advice. Everyone that registers for this forum, I'm sure, feels very alone, very helpless, and very scared at the prospect of never actually truly ridding their lives of their phobias, and I want to feel some sort of hope is truly available to me and others like me.
littlelady 20-08-06, 06:28 PM My whole life i suffered from severe social phobia. I never wanted to leave my house, even as a child. I quit everything I started, from dance, to brownies, to 4h clubs, I was always so anxious it was debilitating. I was suffering from a mental handicap. Anybody could look at me and think I was fine, I looked very normal from the outside, but on the inside I felt like a nervous wreck. It is definitely a genetic or biochemical trait for me, my father has anxiety, my brother suffers from it, my grandmother has it, and her sister had it, and so on. So it was not somthing I could mentally "will" myself out of. At the age of 33, after suffering from two major depressions, I was willing to try anything to feel better. I started to take paxil, and holy cow, my entire world changed. I was corrected by a chemical! I finally could go to a bar or pub, and not feel anxious, I could go to a gathering with my friends and not feel anxious, i stopped making excuses and started going out---something not normal for me. Paxil saved my life. But after taking if for five years, it had started having a bad side effect and was making my heard skip beats and beat erratically, so I had to stop taking it unfortunately. Now I am better, and have beaten my social phobia, I just am starting to experience panic attacks again, and have some depression. I was switched to zoloft, but it is not helping, and I am also taking clonazepam, but that makes me feel all "drugged" and dopey. I hope to find another solution like paxil, that was a life saver for me personally. I felt free and no longer struggled with making excuses not to go out. I actually started to have fun in my life. It was so good for me. I have overcome my social anxiety. I thank paxil for that, it helped rewire my brain. But I also wanted to tell people that another thing that helps is the Midwest Center for Stress and Anxiety, they have some educational CD's that you can purchase and they are unbelieveably execellent, and helped me through some difficult times when I stopped taking paxil.:)
CharlesL 22-08-06, 05:21 PM Sorry it has taken me so long to respond folks, I have been away and so hectic. OK, let me explain. First, why is anxiety cureable without medication and why isn't it a physical or chemical illness?
Granted, anxiety disorders make chemical changes, but the anxiety came first, not the chemical changes. Anxiety is behavioural. It is created and perpetuated by a sort of thermostat which regulates our anxiety levels. When this becomes reset, there is pretty much very little we can do to stop the anxiety, stop the symptoms, reason with it or overcome it. It's just there, just like your circulation, digestion and breathing is always there... like those things, it happens subconsciously in the autonomic nervous system.
Responses to your questions as above:
Roburtade- it is simple to control without medication because it ONLY reacts to behaviour NOT chemicals.
jjdc - anxiety causes chemical imbalances (oxygen in the blood, carbon dioxide and a number of hormones including adrenalin) but it isn't caused by the. As above- anxiety will only be overcome through retraining the subconscious NOT to behave in that way.
Old_Anonymous_Members - of course you don't want to be this way and, if you listen to me and my Method folks... you won't have to!
Anxiety disorders are NOT what you think they are, they are simply the manifestation of a change that has happened in the small organ that regulates the anxiety response - just like a faulty thermostat on your heating.
Take care
Charles
www.panic-anxiety.com
www.thelindenmethod.co.uk
www.stopworry.com
rabidbadger 01-09-06, 06:28 PM Charles
Forgive me for being cynical but there are a couple of questions that occur to me about what you claim.
1) If your method is successful, why haven't the health services bought into it and offered it as a service? Conditions such as this cost the health services millions of pounds in resources and surely it would make economic sense for them to learn your techniques and offer them to sufferers.
2) If, as you claim, you know what it's like to suffer from anxiety then why are you trying to cash in on the suffering of others? There are thousands of pages on the net that claim to have a method for curing or alleviating anxiety and they all claim to work - nobody would subscribe to them if they didn't. I would suggest that you would be better off offering your advice for free and becoming a saviour to millions of desperate sufferers rather than just looking like another scam. People who use this forum really need help, not opportunist advertising and I'm surprised that companies with only a commercial interest are allowed to be represented here.
Regards
Chris
Hi Chris,
I can try and answer on Charles' behalf, although I am sure he'll be around in the near future.
1) The method is in fact recommended by a number of medical people to their patients, including a large number of GP's in the UK and USA (and most likely other countries). Unfortunately, at the moment the NHS chooses (possibly forced?) to prescribe drugs. Plenty of conspiracy theorys surrounding that one....but thats another discussion.
2) Charles now employees a large number of people around the world to run the method with him. Can it really be expected for him to provide it for free to everyone? In fact, in the early days he did indeed provide it free, but as it took most of his time (and some), he had to grow the method, open centres, etc. etc. The method actually isnt expensive when you see whats included, in fact I dont understand how they cover the costs when providing all that support!
rabidbadger 01-09-06, 09:17 PM Hi Admin
Perhaps you could let us know the nature of the relationship between the administrators of this site and the Linden concern?
Chris
Sure Chris.
The Linden Method are sponsors of the fourms, thats why you'll see the ad's and also why Charles visits regularly. Other than that, there is no connection really. These forums are here to provide a community for sufferers of anxiety a place to chat about anything.
Charles
I've read that various herbal, natural remedies can help anxiety and stress, such as Omega 3 and Vitamin B. I'm curious because I don't like taking any form of medication - I have to be crippled by a headache to take paracetamol - and I'm thinking of starting a new business which may require me to face my phobias quite regularly. This is worrying me somewhat and I'm even starting to re-think my approach to this business so as to make it more viable for my capabilities.
Let me know what you think!
Conspiracy theories surrounding the NHS and prescribing medication? I'm interested to know more, and indeed, I'm sure other users on this forum would be interested, too. I've visited my GP regarding my phobias, etc, and aside from recommending counselling, they touched on trying various forms of medication to see if the anxiety levels decreased. I backed away from this option as I don't want to go down the drug route unless it is natural, herbal, homeopathic, etc. But please - let's hear more, Admin!
nofear100 23-09-06, 11:41 AM hi there, i have read your posts about the linden method and it makes alot of sense to me, i have suffered with depression since the age of 15 untill a year and a half ago i had the most severe bout i thought i was going to die, every second was a living hell. i was put on medication fluoxitine and diazepam which i have come off both 2 months ago, since stopping the diazepam i have had the same symptoms as i did in the begining like i am loosing my identity and my mind, this feeling is so overwhelming, am i going insane?:confused:
anxious24/7 06-10-06, 01:19 AM I have no idea what is happening to me its like i am a complete diffrent person. I am really concerned that my health is at stake. I have chest pains all the time i've had ekg's echocardiograms done they all say i am fine but my body doesn't! could the doctors be wrong! I think iam losing my mind!
hi anxious 24/7
i have already posted a reply to one of your posts but i have just seen this and felt i had to reply because it sounds exactly like me. as i said before i have anxiety because i worry about my health and i also thought i had an heart problem when i had my panic attacks. i also had 2 ecgs done to check my heart and thank god they came back fine but i even started to think the machines could be wrong because i thought why would i be getting pain etc if my heart was ok but it was all part of me worrying about my health. for example i had a really bad headache the other day and i was worrying it was something more than just an headache, where someone who didnt worry or have anxiety would just take a paracetomol and forget i cant because i constantly think the worst. so no matter what happens to someone who worries about their health they will always imagine that its something terrible even a stomache ache could be something serious to someone with anxiety caused by worrying about health.
i hope it helps you yo know ive been through exactly the same thing
take care
kitkat
Wannabeloved85 24-10-06, 11:57 AM 1) The method is in fact recommended by a number of medical people to their patients, including a large number of GP's in the UK and USA (and most likely other countries). Unfortunately, at the moment the NHS chooses (possibly forced?) to prescribe drugs. Plenty of conspiracy theorys surrounding that one....but thats another discussion.
SSooooo wrong!! ive been suffering agorapohobia 4 years and although i dont really want drugs, when i did consider, I WASNT GIVEN ANY!! 4 years?!?!! usually you go into see a dr about a septic toe nail and come out with ati-depressants! me? nothing! i ask the dr about an ongoing problem and without examination, "its anxiety,its anxiety" I am aware anxiety causes ALOT of symptoms, but unfortunelty anxiety doesnt make us immune to REAL illness's.
Dr's dont take anxiety and phobia's seriously. were practically dead. and all they say i, you'll be fine. annoys the hell outta me.
Now if the Linden method worked, iw ould gladly, do it, but although i did see 2 weeks differance, i still couldnt get out of that door. Its hard work and all i can say to those considering buying the method, is this:
Dont expect some amzaing contents, for the price it does look plain and simple. But try it. ITS HARD WORK and you have to be willing to put this to work. Its not to be taken lightly. dont look ata it and say, "HA! like thats going to work" dont under estimat it. IT WILL WORK. its hard work but it will work. but personally, its not for the housebound peeps :(
No Doctors etc don't take our problems seriously which is where the likes of Mr Linden come into play. He has given me fantastic advice and links for free and the helpline that he recommends is also free from the UK.
Maybe I'm missing something here but this is a thread slatting someone who is genuinely trying to help us regain control - because that all it is and if you read Charles properly and watch his videos etc you will gain a better understanding of exactly what he is trying to do.
Personally I have been to hell and back and have finally found the old me; I no longer suffer PA's as I've been shown how to overcome them! It's obvious that the people that are not happy with CL's replies are the people that have merely come on here for the sympathy vote and not that genuinely want to conquer their problems and lead a normal life.
I hadn't intended for this to come this way - but; here goes - I've suffered anxiety and Panic attacks due to being raped five years ago. I tried everything on offer and moved 140 miles away from home only for in August this year the same guy to repeat his attack within yards of my home; oh yes he had followed me and still the Police do nothing as he is a relative through marriage. He now lives less than 5 miles away! Shame thats going to have to change because through a link that Charles gave me I now have the amunition to get the relavent Injuctions in Court and fully expect to do this. It transpired that years ago he attempted to rape an 11 year old girl who lives less than 3 miles from me now; its a small world.
Charles Linden was the person that made me see what I had to do and gave me the courage and understanding to do it - he was the first male that I trusted since this happened and I really wish that I had found him 5 years ago as I would never have been in this situation now if I had.
I think what I'm trying to say is - don't knock what you haven't tried and its not a matter of money I have not paid a penny for the advice or information that I have been given.
hi tigger
i think its very unfair to say that the people who come on this site are here for a sympathy vote. this is not the case as im sure you know people on this site need help and are desperate to find any answers they can.
its everyones own right to voice their opinion but i found your post upsetting.
im glad you have got your life back on track but the other people on this forum need help, me for one. im having a really tough time at the moment and this site as been a life line for me, im really glad i found this site and the people on it.
im not having a go or being awkward i just really dont believe people are on this site for the sympathy vote because me i just want to get back to normal and live a normal life.
i think the reason people find it hard to believe CL method is because their are so many sites and info out there that all claim that if you try their method you will be free of anxiety and im sorry but not everyone can be telling the truth or thousands of people like me wouldnt be living this HELL EVERYDAY.:mad:
kitkat
Wannabeloved85 26-10-06, 05:07 PM Firstly i NEVER said anything bad about the method. what i put was TRUE. TOO many people buy this looking for some amazing material and at first glance, its just not that. What i wrote is my honest opinion. its not given a chance. I RESPECT WHAT CHARLES DID AND I TRULY BELIEVE HIS METHOD WORKS. What i said was that people dont give it long enough. I also said that people don not put 100% into it, to me,the main reason it doesnt work!!! Thats why i said that if your going to pay for this method, be prepared to work hard and put in 100% to see the results. AND THAT IS 100% TRUE!!!!
I am NOT knocking wht i havent tried, i am looking at the method ring binder and cd's now as i type this! I have it, ive tried it.
I LOVE the method, the only reason i cant use it is because im in therapy. But before therapy i was 2 weeks anxiety free. but like i said, the therapist came through before i could even battle the agoraphobia using the method.
I may have sounded harsh in my earlier post BUT I have found that I have to say how I see things now; that was one of the problems that I had; and I will say again that I have never been asked for any money and have not given any - but I will recommend this method again and again.
I wasn't being personal towards anyone when I said that some people just want sympathy - I KNOW that people come on here as a last attempt to salvage their lives .................. I did! But there are some people who's own problems cause them to seek out other people's affections and that was what I was getting at; I know that these people have problems that they have to address themselves, and for the second time I think I'm getting the wording wrong.
What I was trying to say and still am is - Charles Linden got my life back for me; I have not paid him and he has never asked for any contribution. The video clip that was posted free on here was what changed me and then a couple of PM's passed between us - the same as anyone else on here.
This is going to sound really harsh but in some ways I wish that I had never posted that I was feeling better because I now feel like I back to the old me but still I feel that I need support and Boards like this - but now I feel like an an outsider looking in again! I'm not going to post again unless I am asked to; but I will watch the board as I know how low I was when I first came on here.
LittleRach 30-10-06, 01:23 PM This is going to sound really harsh but in some ways I wish that I had never posted that I was feeling better because I now feel like I back to the old me but still I feel that I need support and Boards like this - but now I feel like an an outsider looking in again! I'm not going to post again unless I am asked to; but I will watch the board as I know how low I was when I first came on here.
I can relate to this Kitkat. I dont believe kitkat is being negative towards Charles Linden or any other method. I can see where she is coming from and I understand that posts can be read wrongly~ its always easier t get your say across in speaking, i think.
My experience is that (fact) I came on here because I felt I was stuck in "limbo". Like Kitkat said~ Getting better/better but still needed a helping hand/ support. I dont get panic attacks like I use to but have lost all most everything in my life over the last 10 years and am struggling to get it back. I know I need to or else I will slip back into the darkness and panic attacks~ and I dont wish to go back. I had never been on a forum until this one, but decided to give it a go. I came on here to talk to people and hopefully have a bit of communication with others.
I relate to kitkat in saying about getting better, because I feel if you say you feel alittle better on here, you dont get the same support as you do it you say you feel ill/bad that day. I am not fully better but I feel that this forum isnt for me as people on here are only interested in others illnesses. I wanted to share my experiences with others and talk to people who had/ have similar experiences because I dont have anyone in my life who understands what I am going through. Saying that, no one seems to want to talk to people unless they are really low.
I too feel that I wont be writing here again as its not for me. I will continue to seek other ways for support.
I do hope that everyone on here gets better and the support they need. If this offends anyone, so be it. Im just saying how I feel and you all have a right to do so too.
Thanks, Raex
whats going on guys?
im sorry you have both decided 2 stop posting on this forum because i think this site is great, like i said before im so glad i found this site
Wow - only just caught up on this.
If you dont feel posting helps your anxiety - then if course dont post. But, if something or someone else makes you feel you cannot post, well thats different! Feel free to PM any concerns you have.
ickleem 17-11-06, 08:29 PM Dear Charles
I want to talk to you, I want to listen to what I can do, what is this secret??!
I'm 25 yrs old, live in London, don't really have a stressful life, but have been suffering with panic attacks since I was Six!, I understand the reasons in which panic occurs, but was I born with this?, I've been told by my GP that I lack a certain chemical in brain called seratonin, and was perscribed during my first nervous break down with Seroxat/Peroxatine, which is not the most pleasant SSRI in the world, in fact probably the worse. I have suffered with all kinds of side effects and felt like topping myself when I was 18 (my first breakdown) I was a complete mess, couldn't eat, sleep (and when I say I couldn't sleep I mean I went 15 days without sleep) I went down to 6 stone, could not control shaking and felt just absolutely awful.
Now I've been on and off of Peroxatine, tried all the gentle weening off but as soon as I do BANG!, all physical systems re-appear but so intense I can't even speak properly, I've tried cognetive therapy, occupational therapist, hypnotherapy, giving myself a good talking to, getting angry, getting upset and so on.
SWEAR TO ME, that the Linden method (I have received the info pack) will work for me, I don't even know why I panic, why I feel I can't breathe, why I constantly clear my throat, blow on my hands, rummage through my bag, have visual disturbances, feel like I'm going to faint, have burning senstations all over my body, feel itchy all over and this is JUST ANXIETY, I'm told.
Charles, I'm fed up of feeling like this now, I want to get better, I don't care if I never come off the pills, I just want to feel semi normal (not even a 100%) just so that I can drive to work, be at work, eat in public, sit and watch telly without pulling at my hair, and annoying everyone by my pathetic habits.
Please Please Please, tell me that I'm wrong, that my subconcious isn't stronger than my concious, that I don't lack seratonin, that your brain can un-learn things??
Sorry if I have gone off on a tangent, but I like you once, am fed up, angry, upset, desperate, though not alone, being loved, being liked, isn't enough when you feel like this.
I personally feel that this illness is a selfish one, we can't stop thinking about how we feel, but don't know we are even doing it, something I was saying before, subconcious stronger than our contious, an inward battle to find the stronger self.............
Look forward to hearing from you.
Kindest regards
Emma (Em)
Hi Em
As the wife of an ex-anxiety sufferer and user of the Linden Method, I can tell you that I too had the same fears of the Method's success. He was severely agoraphobic and as a result our lives were severely debilitated for 5 years to the point where I thought he would never be well again.
We have to remember that anxiety is a habit. What the Linden Method does it gives us the tools to reverse that habit and re-programmes the sub-conscious mind. I thought this would be impossible for my husband as he was so far down that track that I thought I would never bring him back. All I would say is that you have to give it 100% effort for it to work but I know you will because I can hear how desperate you are to be well. Charles was an inspiration to us and he's the reason that I have been able to start a family and get my husband back.
I asked this forum if I could be a moderator - not to fly 'The Linden Method' flag (as I know that advertise on it) but to hopefully offer some sound advice to people suffering with this pointless disorder. Having been to hell and back, I would certainly not recommend something that I didn't believe in!
All the very best Em.
Fliss x
ickleem 20-11-06, 07:43 PM Thanks for your kind words, Fliss, I do want to believe, but I need to hear it from Charles too.
Em x
Hi Em
I have spoken with the Linden Centre this morning to try to talk with Charles but he isn't currently unavailable. Can I suggest that you call Janice, who is one of their Linden Method Specialists. She is a lovely lady and has first hand experience of anxiety and is very knowledgeable about The Linden Method and anxiety disorder in general.
She is based in the UK on 01562 742004.
All the very best
Fliss
:)
chelsea 24-11-06, 05:05 PM I am experiencing terrible fears. I have also been getting a tingling sensation in my face as well as pins and needles on my ears nose and head. this makes me have a total anxiety attack. Now my jaw is aching as well. These things seem to happen even when I don't feel anxious but when they steat my anxiety goes through the roof. I feeling like I'm going quacky:confused:
ickleem 03-12-06, 05:23 AM Hi Fliss
Many thanks for your reply and your support, it is really comforting, I will give Janice a call.
Once again, thanks for your help.
Cheers
Em x
Sorry I've just come back after another relapse - but I am sure that I can over come this; reading back at some of the posts on this thread i seem to be seen as some kind of demon which really is not the case. I put on a hard front - I have to I drive a Taxi at night and have a disabled child but I really am just another lost sole looking for answers and help; and help is what I desperately need at the moment.................... If I've offended anyone then i apologise but thats just me - no thats the person that thinks they are me; the real me just wants to get back out and is being held back
I WANT MY LIFE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Charles,
My name is Alon. I'm new to both this forum and panic attacks, having only started suffering from them 3 months ago.
There are so many different people advertising solutions to panic attacks and each one has the "only" way to cure them. I have recently "bought" a solution from a well-known individuall selling his method online. He bases his system on accepting the fear and challenging it to produce more fear, which apparently puts you back in control and the fear eventually subsides. However this actually entails waiting for the fear to reach it's peak.
I believe that prevention is better than cure, so I only use this system as a last resort.
Can you give me a little more information on the basis of your system? I'm sure we would all love to hear more. Business or no business, if you have something that works...I'll give it a go.
Thanks.
Alon.
ellietheelephant 23-01-07, 08:32 PM Hi Fliss,
I bought the Method a few months ago. I'm finding it really useful, but although it mentions a number of times that I can talk to people, I can't find any contact details. Is the number you gave Em the one I should use?
Thanks,
Ellie.
golf1foreve 15-02-07, 01:57 AM Ive read all this info about Charles and his method he developed. I even watched his video. What im confused about is he knows what all of us anxiety disorder people are going thru because his been there and had it. Why would he be selling his product to cure a thing that he knows is devastating. Im very confused on this becuase surely if I had developed something that could cure my anxiety I would share it to all of the people I could for no cost because I know how it feels. Not everyone can afford to get cured. But would love getting help to survive this horrible disorder. Just a Question?
I can try and answer that.
The Linden Method, when first developed, was actually available free. Charles spent lots of time back then supporting people using his method. As it grew and grew, he had to get people in to help, had to dedicate more of his time etc. etc. So, in turn, his costs also grew and grew.
I know some people feel the method is expensive, but its not at all. The package itself must cost them a lot to produce, then you have the shipping, the support for 12 months.
Chris V 15-02-07, 01:45 PM Very true. I've experienced very terrible sensations. Thanks Charles, I took your course recently.
You really can get rid of those terrible sensations, and your brain can create good sensations.
It's a bit like suffering flu. We feel so down & think we'll never get better, but we do.
I still wish that I never suffered, but I've stopped wishing. It happened to me, it was very horrible but it's all going away. I think my best advice is to constantly think about the future and not what you've been through in the past.
A note here. Don't say to yourself 'I'm NOT having a heart attack' or 'I HAVEN't got a disease', just say 'I'm perfectly fine'.
If you say 'I'm NOT having a heart attack' then you will still be thinking about heart attacks whereas if you say 'I'm perfectly fine' then you will stop thinking about heart attacks..
Hello,
I am new to the Linden Method. I just needed reassurance, which I know I should not need - I am empowering it with my action. I have never second guessed myself until this "issue" came along. I was diagnosed with Anxiety and panic attacks back in 2000. At the time, I was placed on paxil, with no information from my doctor or my pharmacist about the side effects. Two years later I was 55 pounds heavier and thought sex only existed in someone else's life. I weaned myself off of Paxil about a year and half ago.
Guess what.... It's back!!!!
Worse then ever too. I ordered the Linden Method online a few weeks back. I didn't stick with it and went into the black hole of dispair. Doctor, phsychiatrist and therapist all wanted me to take paxil, xanax, etc... I tried the Xanax -- no way!!! I felt horrid! That was end of that. I still haven't taken the paxil either.
I am now considered and labelled with acute anxiety and OCD. Where in the world did that come from? They also mentioned somatization disorder. Due to their comments, I have been scared to death that I will not get better and I will not heal and I will hurt myself.
I have a darling husband and son with a great life!!!!!!
I am now back on the Linden Method and for about 4 days. I am fighting this. It's hard as you know what. I still have to work and I am a manager, so comprehesion and understanding is not allowed at work. I was told that I would be considered weak if I told anyone at the office what was going on with me.
My thoughts have been disturbing and down right frightening; I can't think; I can't seem to get my muscles to calm down. It's like I am running on high idle all day long.
I have noticed however, that it is better than it was a week ago. I am doing my breathing and trying my darnest to distract my thoughts, although I feel like my internal dialogue won't shut up. So, with that being said... IT'S WORKING!!!!
THANK YOU CHARLES!!! WHAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US IS AN ABSOLUTE MIRACLE.
One question though, what do you suggest to knock the edge off so I can concentrate at work and get my thoughts back in line?
Thanks again!
Chris V 17-02-07, 03:42 PM PS. Donna. I think it's a case of telling your sub-conscious 'NO, I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU BEAT ME AROUND ANYMORE, & DO WHAT YOU TELL ME TO DO. I'M GOING TO BEAT YOU AROUND FROM NOW ON & DO WHAT I WANT TO DO. & BELIEVE ME, I WILL WIN THIS FIGHT & START ENJOYING LIFE AGAIN'.
I know, that's what I did. I won, & you WILL too.:D
eagleboy 11-03-07, 12:14 PM I'm blogging in an optimistic way, come and join: www.nopanicattack.blogspot.com (http://www.nopanicattack.blogspot.com)
indigodreams 31-03-07, 09:52 AM YOU CAN UNDO IT!!!
This is EXACTLY what I try to tell people, but they don't listen!!
I KNOW you don't want what anxiety throws at you, no one does, but you don't have the tools to repair what has happened to you. Why do you attack me when I have done nothing wrong. Anxiety disorder is curable, it's not easy to do, however, when you don't know how. That's why my method is so complete, why it has taken so long to develop and why it works, because it isn't a magic pill or advice given by a quack!
You just need to know what to do and contrary to what people say when they criticize me for selling a product, what other opportunity do I get in order to spread the word? I'm not a psychologist that the general medical council will listen to, I am not a psychiatrist a doctor or a research scientist... I am little old Chareles Linden sitting here with a solution that will help millions of people but people just want to undermine me and my work because I sell it instead of giving it away.
I support thousands of sufferers, employ 12 staff, have 5 office suites to pay for, a call centre, postage, etc. etc. etc. I couldn't give it away free of charge, it costs far too much to support.
You are not wired more tightly, you have anxiety disorder! It's learned, it can be un-learned... that I promise you!
Charles
Hi Charles, I agree with a lot of what you say,it is probably perfectly true,I say probably because maybe for some their wiring is slightly off kilter,however you say you know the tools and thats all people need..great..but how about actually helping these people and being forthcoming with some of those tools.Ah but there is the catch...you want paying :) your 'helpful' post is really your advert ..nice one Charles.
Chris V 01-04-07, 10:32 AM We've all got to make a living. I suffered from anxiety for 7 years, & thanks to the Linden Method I was completely cured in 2 months!!!! It actually SAVED me money because I couldn't rationally control my spending when I had anxiety, plus all the other problems it caused me. If it wasn't for him I would still be suffering now, which makes me cringe.
Yes, I do know what it's like to be 'in there' & I was sceptical too. But it really does work.
linny81 03-04-07, 08:54 PM hi to the guy who said linden worked for him plz post me the details of how i get in touch with him my anxiety is so bad anything that could help would be great because i refuse to take medication thank you hope ur well from lindsay
indigodreams 03-04-07, 10:18 PM PS. Donna. I think it's a case of telling your sub-conscious 'NO, I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU BEAT ME AROUND ANYMORE, & DO WHAT YOU TELL ME TO DO. I'M GOING TO BEAT YOU AROUND FROM NOW ON & DO WHAT I WANT TO DO. & BELIEVE ME, I WILL WIN THIS FIGHT & START ENJOYING LIFE AGAIN'.
I know, that's what I did. I won, & you WILL too.:D
Hear Hear chris :) yes it is hard work,very hard work but it is do-able ,dont run from it,dont even waste your energy ignoring it or 'thinking positive'..but tell it straight . :)
indigodreams 03-04-07, 10:28 PM For Charles..well done to you for beating anxiety and for offering your method to others,it's good to hear how it helps others.I appreciate you have a business to run now and wish you well in it.And not knowing that you offered it free at the start I apologise for my previous sarcastic post ,you have a right to make a living and hopefully help others. But I do hate it when adverts start appearing on sites like this mainly because there are a thousand of ways for people to try all of which can and do help people;if one advert is allowed then its not long before hundreds appear .
And of course people will end up battling about which is 'the one' instead of concentrating on helping each other :)
anyway apology,nothing personal
best wishes
indigo
rabidbadger 03-04-07, 11:00 PM Hi Indigo
I never realised what a big problem adverts were on this site until I became a moderator. I do my best to keep adverts off the site - especially irrelevant ones - but I would estimate that I have to delete about 100 adverts in an average week - and I'm sure there are more that are deleted by other moderators and administrators. Most of them are for porn sites or drug sales. Obviously there are sometimes borderline cases where the adverts are relevant to anxiety and you have to make a judgement based on whether it is going to be to the benefit of anxiety sufferers or just opportunism.
If there are any that I miss you can always pm me and tell me.
Charles Linden is a sponsor of the forum and I would like to think that even if he wasn't, because there is good anecdotal evidence that his method is helping people, it would be allowed to remain. Personally I would treat any advert for a method that people "endorsed" in the same way.
Best of luck
Chris
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